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skippy the bush kangaroo

Thursday, June 11, 2009

but firemen really wear belts, not suspenders!

we were going to write a long screed deconstructing the nonsense that is jim treacher's insistence that letterman told a rape joke about a 14 year old girl.

we were going to embed the youtube presenting the actual joke...

...showing that letterman never once mentioned "willow" palin (the 14 year old) nor even anything remotely close to "rape." (last we heard, getting "knocked up" isn't the same thing as "rape." if it is, that puts a whole new spin on seth rogen's career.)

we were then going to get into a whole discussion about the nature of joke writing. skippy, having written jokes professionally for several decades now, is somewhat knowledgable about humor and how it works, and what the parameters and precepts are for a joke to be successful.

we were going to explain that even tho the reality of palin's trip to yankee stadium included the fact that it was 14 year old willow and not 18 year old (and out-of-wedlock mother) bristol palin that accompanied her, that this actual bit of trivia was not only not irrelevant to the joke, but would actually make the joke not work, if it were indeed the premise of the set up:

firstly, we would have pointed out, the audience for whom the joke was intended (read: the american public in general) are not policy wonks like the rest of us, and had no clue which daughter, if any, was @ the yankee game w/gov. palin.

secondly, we would have mentioned, the audience (see above) is familiar w/bristol palin's out-of-wedlock baby exploits (and her obviously incorrect usage of abstinence).

thirdly, and this is the most important one: we would have explained that jokes are predicated on people's expectations, not reality. for instance, when bill maher said that hillary clinton's new book on her marriage to bill was named it takes a spillage, it doesn't matter that hillary wrote no such book in reality. when dennis miller said that al gore was so boring, his vanity license plate was a series of random numbers, it means nothing that al gore doesn't have vanity license plates.

we were going to go on to discuss that the american public in general know sarah palin's daughter had a child out of wedlock. ergo, in comedy world, alex rodriguez (known stud muffin) would get her "knocked up" (note: and, it would obviously take place during the seventh inning. trust us, it's funnier that way).

we were going to say, the actual fact that the out-of-wedlock mother bristol palin did not actually accompany gov. palin to the game is not only irrelevant to the joke, if one insists that we take that fact into account, the joke no longer makes sense.

we would have also pointed out that we planned to mention how jim treacher probably would have insisted that priests, nuns and rabbis hardly ever go into a bar, but d. aristophenes @ sadly, no! already beat us to it, and in a much more clever way.

also, we planned to agree w/sean2m, a commentor @ youtube, who calls repubbblicans "drama queens."

as well as the commentor on tbogg who opined "a late nite comedian whose best days are behind him cracks a joke on his late nite teevee show that they don’t find funny and they get all huffy puffy self righteous and 'we must defend this poor 14 year old’s dignity against the liberal perverts.' a real terrorist guns down a real doctor in cold blood during a church service and ….crickets"

as well as the commentor on the mudflats who points out "toad [sic] should have expressed his concerns when his underage daughter bristol was hanging with and banging mr. sex on skates….where were you then toad???"

also we had planned on mentioning that willow was born in 1994, making her 15, not 14, which only brings to mind the question of why jim treacher is so intent on what the real facts are if he's not willing himself to get facts straight.

finally, we were also going to demonstrate how unhinged treacher had become over this whole non-event, by pointing out that not only does he respond individually to every commenter who disagrees w/him on the comments section @ alicublog, he also responds individually to every commentor who agrees w/him @ balloon juice.

we had planned to do all of that. but then we decided that it would be simplest to point out that the guy getting the vapors over supposed sexual humor about a minor used to call his blog mother, may i sleep with treacher?

the pot calling the kettle perverted.
posted by skippy at 3:58 PM |


Willow was the one who was at the game. In order for Alex Rodriguez to impregnate her, he'd have to commit statutory rape. Statutory rape is rape.

Thank you for indulging the previous paragraph full of crazy koo-koo talk.
commented by Anonymous jim treacher, 6:57 PM PDT  
skippy wins again...

do you want to know how i know this?
because jim treacher also comments here trying to prove his case and still fails...only so that he can see his own name again...

a joke...and not even a very good one, but i guess if it were my daughter i would have gotten bent out of shape too...HOWEVER, i am not a fame hungry political figure who already has one slutty teen-age daughter, so who knows...
commented by Anonymous Anonymous, 7:06 PM PDT  
thanks for dropping by jim, your nutso obsessiveness and inevitable appearance here is the actual and only reason i wrote the piece!

plus, thanks for ignoring the explanation of how humor works, as i knew you would!
commented by Blogger skippy, 7:07 PM PDT  
I feel like maybe you're being sarcastic. But I do appreciate the advice.
commented by Anonymous jim treacher, 7:35 PM PDT  
"used to call his blog mother, may i sleep with treacher?"


I mean why involve Mommy????
Skip, you da' man. Da' funny man.

Good job.
So what was Palin's thoughts on John McCain's woman-gets-raped-by-a-gorilla-and-enjoys-it joke? Or his joke: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Hillary Clinton is her mother and Janet Reno is her father.

See, those were made by the guy she thought would make the best next POTUS and her running mate. The jokes that offend her were made by a late night comedian.
commented by Anonymous sean, 11:41 PM PDT  
Ah, and here's Jim Treacher again! I notice he's ignored the key point of your post (made very thoroughly here), just as he ignored the same point when made by Roy Edroso, when made by David Letterman (if he caught Letterman's lengthy reply), and when made by many, many commentators. As you point out, the jokes wouldn't work if Treacher's version was correct. Nor is this terribly hard to figure out.

Anyone's free to find the jokes in poor taste – and Letterman acknowledged they were.

Shockingly, most Americans don't know all the names and ages of Palin's children (apparently, neither does Treacher), nor do they care. They know about her pregnant out-of-wedlock daughter, who's made plenty of appearances on TV and magazines. They know Spitzer and Rodriguez, especially in New York. For Treacher's version to be correct:

1) The audience (of "nice middle-American tourists," as Roy put it) that laughed would have to know that the unnamed Palin daughter in the joke was not the more famous teen pregnancy one what's-her-name but the other one, because the other one was actually at the game as they learned in the news despite it not being widely reported, and also know the other one's age and find the idea of underage sex hilarious. Or,

2) David Letterman and his writers, evil liberals that they are, were playing a cruel joke on the audience, making the audience think they were laughing at the more famous teen pregnancy daughter what's-her-name when they really meant the other one! What rubes!

Alternatively, Treacher could be completely wrong about fairly predictable jokes written under a tough deadline, but is unwilling or unable to admit it. Hmm.

Again, nothing's wrong with finding the jokes as intended offensive. (It was easier to joke about Palin's ignorance, dishonesty and demagoguery when prominent examples were fresh last fall.) But insisting the jokes were about something and someone they clearly weren't after it's been explained to you multiple times is just stubborn and obtuse. Mr. president skippy sir, I move for common ground with reasonable conservatives who get jokes and don't hate the arts, but think we have identified a dread comedy gap.

But Jim Treacher, Never Say Die! Woooolveriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiines know comedy!
commented by Blogger Batocchio, 11:00 AM PDT  
Wait...Batocchio, was that a reference to a somewhat politically stunted movie from the eighties???

Dude...I thought you were younger than that...heheheh :))
Hey, I worked in a reference to a 1964 movie, too... But are you telling me you're not familiar with conservative blogs writing "Wolverines!" without irony - and that Red Dawn is the bestest movie ever made? Oh, you've been missing out on a whole bunch of fun! (But then – if you'll forgive the link - so are conservatives.)
commented by Blogger Batocchio, 1:41 PM PDT  
"Bestest Movie"... ??? No way...that would be "300"...
But Patrick Swayze was pretty cool as was Charlie Sheen...

I only meant stunted in the Russia Invades The U.S.A. scenario...'Cause even then they were in no financial shape to pull off shennanigans like that...
I think those genre worked so well 'cause they fed the conservative induced public fears...
BUT even then the Public would never have accepted a movie where We did not Win...
Another conservative fantasy, that we will Always be successful no matter the endeavor...I like these movies 'cause I'm a guy..I like shit going BOOM and blood splattering (a little) but I don't buy into the fantasy that the movie implies and I daresay Conservatives almost always Do..
Just look at all the poor schmucks (in my age group and a few years older) that went to Viet-Nam thinking that they would "John Wayne" it thru... an awful lot of disenchanment was the result and an awful lot of misplaced feelings...
My generation will likely always be supicious of the 'gummint...because of that action and because of other things..
It was the reason I enlisted (avoiding any draft) and because I wanted to help people... so I went into life-saving...
Anyway...I vote "300"...
or "Rustlers Rhapsody"...if you like comedy.
"As you point out, the jokes wouldn't work if Treacher's version was correct."

The jokes work fine, as long as you hate Sarah Palin and don't care what anybody says about her children.

Willow was at that baseball game. Bristol wasn't. They really are two separate people, no matter how you feel about their mom.
commented by Anonymous jim treacher, 10:17 PM PDT  

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