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Tuesday, February 17, 2009

straight and narrative

bill moyers, on journal, talks w/glenn greenwald & jay rosen about the beltway press:

bill moyers:
how do you explain the fact that so many in the press, pundits and others as well, were saying obama has to be bipartisan?

jay rosen:
i think that the ideology of the press is not so much liberal or conservative. they think themselves the keepers of realism, of savviness. i think the real religion of the american press is savviness. and in their view, it isn’t savvy to say you’re going to mobilize the anger and frustration of the american people and bring that power to washington to change it.

that’s not how politics works. the way politics works is you say things like that to get elected, and then, once you’re in, you make your accommodations, you show that you want to hew to the center. you demonstrate that you’re bipartisan. you pick people who are familiar.

and it’s those eternal laws of politics that journalists feel they know better than us. and they expect politics to kind of run down these rails that they’ve laid down, because then we have to turn to them for the inside story. and this is what they want to continue.

glenn greenwald:
i agree with jay, that it isn’t so much that the media is liberal or conservative in terms of how those terms are defined conventionally in our political spectrum. what ends up happening is that ideas that are threatening to the media and to the political elite end up being attached to the label of liberalism or leftist ideology.

with the corresponding orthodoxy that the one thing obama, for instance, needs to show, is that he’s not beholden to the far left of his party, or that he’s willing to scorn the leftists and the liberals in his party. that’s when he generates the most praise. and the-

bill moyers:
from the washington press corps.

glenn greenwald:
from the washington press corps.

bill moyers:
right.

glenn greenwald:
if you go back and look at the way in which obama was praised for the last two months, almost entirely by the media, will almost always be based on this idea that he’s not an ideologue that he’s not in concert with the liberals and the leftists in his party. that’s the great accomplishment in the eyes of the media; a president could possibly aspire to.

and the reason for that is because in their eyes, what liberalism or the leftist ideology that they’re scorning, are not things about policy making per se, or even approaches to foreign policy. it’s the idea that the prevailing consensus among our political elite is corrupted and needs to be radically changed. and so, what i think they are most afraid of is having the anger of the american people start to affect what happens within their system. what they want more than anything else, is to exclude those external influences.

jay rosen:
here’s another way to look at it. the press is full of behaviorists. they don’t know they’re behaviorists, but they are.

bill moyers:
what do you mean?

jay rosen:
a behaviorist is somebody who thinks that we can figure out what’s going on by looking at probabilities and large numbers of people, and what tends to happen with those people. and politics runs on laws like that to a large extent. however, there’s another aspect of politics, which is leadership, action, bringing something new into the world, starting something that didn’t exist before. having an idea nobody had before. pushing it through.

journalists, deep down, don’t believe that action really works. but the real excitement of democratic politics is that something new can come into the world, because we decided it. because there was an election. because there’s a new crowd in town.

bill moyers:
do you think that’s happening?

jay rosen:
i think it very much could happen.
posted by skippy at 1:20 PM |

5 Comments:

Is there a name for a collection of journalists?

They seem to exhibit a group think for protection from any predatory truth.

A murder of crows, a pride of lions and a deception of journalists?
commented by Anonymous Beaverboy, 1:36 PM PST  
>they think themselves the keepers of realism, of savviness.

Bartkid sez,
Thank you for the laugh.
I needed that.

Reminds me of how dudes in my generation used to have arguments about how to define punk which seemed to never exclude themselves.
commented by Anonymous Anonymous, 1:41 PM PST  
Great excerpt, skippy, thanks.
commented by Blogger Batocchio, 3:44 PM PST  
These two men framed it in a way that was new and clearly reveals dysfunctional our media is.

The internets must live as they are without corporations ever gaining even a bit of control. This is critical!
commented by Blogger One Fly, 4:09 PM PST  
" a behaviorist is somebody who thinks that we can figure out what’s going on by looking at probabilities and large numbers of people, and what tends to happen with those people. and politics runs on laws like that to a large extent. however, there’s another aspect of politics, which is leadership, action, bringing something new into the world, starting something that didn’t exist before. having an idea nobody had before. pushing it through."

I think somebody is going to night school...trying to impress teacher with what he learned in Psych. 101, but if he is serious he needs to hit the books again because that is Not what a behaviorist is /does...
He took a partial description of one type of behaviorism (analytical I think) and bent it to make what he was saying look intelligent...

As is I gotta say he just needs to keep quiet...

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