skippy the bush kangaroo

Tuesday, July 22, 2008

we don't remember who said it, but obama's not going to be any blacker in november, whereas mclame...

the politico brings up the elephant in the room...is mcsame old?

mccain will turn 72 the day after sen. barack obama (d-ill.) accepts his party’s nomination for president at the age of 47, calling new attention to the sensitive issue of mccain’s advanced age three days before the start of his own convention.

the mccain campaign says obama has had plenty of flubs of his own, including a reference to "57 states" and a string of misstated place names during the primaries that republicans gleefully sent around as youtube links.

mccain aides point out that he spends much more time than obama talking extemporaneously, taking questions from voters and reporters. "being human and tripping over your tongue occasionally doesn't mean a thing," a top mccain official said.

but mccain's mistakes raise a serious, if uncomfortable question: are the gaffes the result of his age? and what could that mean in the oval office?
it's interesting that the mmm (multi-millionaire media) is starting to latch onto the meme of old man liverspot here. nobody seemed to mind when awol couldn't finish a sentence without making mrs. malaprop and professor backwards sound like william buckley jr.

we are not fans of discrimination, whatever form it takes, and that includes making fun of adult diaper wearers old people. we are more prone to side w/steve benen of the carpetbagger report; partly because he linked to us when he did the salon blog report, but mostly because he points out that mclame isn't making "gaffes" because he's old...it's because he's incompetent (and/or downright duplicitous):

when mccain mistook sunnis and shiites, on multiple occasions, that’s not a gaffe, so much as it’s mccain not knowing what he’s talking about. similarly, the steelers/packers story wasn’t a gaffe; it was mccain hoping to score cheap points in pittsburgh by changing a story to fit the city he was in at the time.

in this sense, “gaffe” is overly forgiving. it implies that mccain means to say the right thing, but tends to misspeak. i don’t see it that way at all. “gaffe” suggests mccain knows what he’s talking about, but is burdened by the occasional embarrassing verbal faux pas.
but that’s not the real story here. the important point is that mccain, a little too often, seems hopelessly clueless. that’s far more significant than the occasional “gaffe.”

we'd like to know how someone can accidentally say "iraq" "afghanistan" when they mean "afghanistan" "iran."** except for the two letters at the end, the two countries sound nothing alike. and mclame is supposedly a foreign affairs expert.

no, it's not that mcsame is experience senior moments; it's more that he's only as smart as the last repppublican presidential candidate.

(tip o' the kangaroo tail to memeorandum for the links!)

** [ed. note: we originally reported that mclame mistook afghanistan for iran, but the grumpy forester points out, as the original politico piece does also, that he was confusing afghanistan w/iraq. however, the original quote mentions the "iraq/afghanistan border" which, of course, is non-existant (with that 1,500 miles of iran inbetween. as boston.com tells us,

asked on abc's "good morning america" about the situation in afghanistan -- where both presidential candidates call for sending more us troops to take on the resurgent taliban and root out al qaeda, mccain replied.

"i think it's serious. . . . it's a serious situation, but there's a lot of things we need to do. we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border."

iraq and pakistan do not share a border; it is the afghanistan/pakistan border where intelligence officials believe remnants of al qaeda are rebuilding.
so nobody really even knows exactly what he was trying to say. did he confuse pakistan w/iraq? or w/iran? or what?

we do know, as the forester points out, mclame insists that czechoslovakia is still around. the guy is a few degrees short of a compass.]
posted by skippy at 1:04 PM |

7 Comments:

Well McLame did graduate 5th from the bottom at the Naval Academy. Maybe that explains it. Add to that 5 years of torture and I'm sure his brain is rattled. Presidential material? No.
commented by Blogger Demeur, 2:24 PM PDT  
...actually he said "Iraq" when he should have said "Afghanistan" in the context of the question he was answering, and when you couple that with his continued insistence on retrieving Checkoslovakia from the dustbin of history, it appears that his foreign policy expertise extends to "we need LOTS of troops to invade...er...that country - whatzitsname - over there" and not much beyond that...
commented by Blogger Jack K., 3:25 PM PDT  
This is not a matter of "ageism" or discrimination...it is a matter of competence....and seriously there are some questions....

When one has an elderly relative there are Warning Signs you are taught to notice regarding Alzeimers....and McGramps has a few...including memory, temper and judgement and irritablilty issues....and yes, even Geography problems...

Also he does not joke about these issues...he argues with everyone....and has anyone noticed how he travels with minders ( Larry and Moe -graham and leiberman)....or the Beer Baroness...
they are there to correct him when he gets Iran and Iraq mixed up...

See here is the other thing- out of touch with geography, maps, and the Internet and History...gee - that is a bad combo for someone in charge of Bombs....jus' sayin....
commented by Blogger enigma4ever, 4:19 PM PDT  
we'd like to know how someone can accidentally say "iraq" "afghanistan" when they mean "afghanistan" "iran."** except for the two letters at the end, the two countries sound nothing alike. and mclame is supposedly a foreign affairs expert.

Actually that's more a "slip of the tongue" which can happen to anyone. I've certainly done it, and I'm a lot younger than McSame. I've heard the most knowledgeable political people I know say things like that. Of all the crap that comes out of McSame's mouth, that's about the least significant.

The Czechoslovakia thing isn't in the same league, that's an actual "gaffe," a mistake, albeit perhaps an understandable one.

The bit about the Sunni awakening, though, is neither a slip of the tongue nor a gaffe. It's things like that which really indicate how out of touch (or how much of a liar, but I think out of touch) he is.
Thing is, the guy was referring to 'Soviets' last year, wasn't he?

What decade is he living in?

Karadjic was caught this week; would McCain know where Serbia is on the map, or would he be referring to Yugoslavia?
commented by Blogger Sara, 10:18 AM PDT  
Senator Obama is turning out to be a real disappointment and a very dangerous man. Moving the war on terror to Pakistan could have disastrous consequences on both the political stability in the region, and in the broader balance of power. Scholars such as Richard Betts accurately point out that beyond Iran or North Korea, “Pakistan may harbor the greatest potential danger of all.” With the current instability in Pakistan, Betts points to the danger that a pro-Taliban government would pose in a nuclear Pakistan. This is no minor point to be made. While the Shi’a in Iran are highly unlikely to proliferate WMD to their Sunni enemies, the Pakistanis harbor no such enmity toward Sunni terrorist organizations. Should a pro-Taliban or other similar type of government come to power in Pakistan, Al-Qaeda’s chances of gaining access to nuclear weapons would dramatically increase overnight.

There are, of course, two sides to every argument; and this argument is no exception. On the one hand, some insist that American forces are needed in order to maintain political stability and to prevent such a government from rising to power. On the other hand, there are those who believe that a deliberate attack against Pakistan’s state sovereignty will only further enrage its radical population, and serve to radicalize its moderates. I offer the following in support of this latter argument:

Pakistan has approximately 160 million people; better than half of the population of the entire Arab world. Pakistan also has some of the deepest underlying ethnic fissures in the region, which could lead to long-term disintegration of the state if exacerbated. Even with an impressive growth in GDP (second only to China in all of Asia), it could be decades before wide-spread poverty is alleviated and a stable middle class is established in Pakistan.

Furthermore, the absence of a deeply embedded democratic system in Pakistan presents perhaps the greatest danger to stability. In this country, upon which the facade of democracy has been thrust by outside forces and the current regime came to power by coup, the army fulfills the role of “referee within the political boxing ring.” However, this referee demonstrates a “strong personal interest in the outcome of many of the fights and a strong tendency to make up the rules as he goes along.” The Pakistani army “also has a long record of either joining in the fight on one side or the other, or clubbing both boxers to the ground and taking the prize himself” (Lieven, 2006:43).

Pakistan’s army is also unusually large. Thathiah Ravi (2006:119, 121) observes that the army has “outgrown its watchdog role to become the master of this nation state.” Ravi attributes America’s less than dependable alliance with Pakistan to the nature of its army. “Occasionally, it perceives the Pakistan Army as an inescapable ally and at other times as a threat to regional peace and [a] non-proliferation regime.” According to Ravi, India and Afghanistan blame the conflict in Kashmir and the Durand line on the Pakistan Army, accusing it of “inciting, abetting and encouraging terrorism from its soil.” Ravi also blames the “flagrant violations in nuclear proliferation by Pakistan, both as an originator and as a conduit for China and North Korea” on the Pakistan Army, because of its support for terrorists.

The point to be made is that the stability of Pakistan depends upon maintaining the delicate balance of power both within the state of Pakistan, and in the broader region. Pakistan is not an island, it has alliances and enemies. Moving American troops into Pakistan will no doubt not only serve to radicalize its population and fuel the popular call for Jihad, it could also spark a proxy war with China that could have long-lasting economic repercussions. Focusing on the more immediate impact American troops would have on the Pakistani population; let’s consider a few past encounters:

On January 13, 2006, the United States launched a missile strike on the village of Damadola, Pakistan. Rather than kill the targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda’s deputy leader, the strike instead slaughtered 17 locals. This only served to further weaken the Musharraf government and further destabilize the entire area. In a nuclear state like Pakistan, this was not only unfortunate, it was outright stupid.

On October 30, 2006, the Pakistani military, under pressure from the US, attacked a madrassah in the Northwest Frontier province in Pakistan. Immediately following the attack, local residents, convinced that the US military was behind the attack, burned American flags and effigies of President Bush, and shouted “Death to America!” Outraged over an attack on school children, the local residents viewed the attack as an assault against Islam.
On November 7, 2006, a suicide bomber retaliated. Further outrage ensued when President Bush extended his condolences to the families of the victims of the suicide attack, and President Musharraf did the same, adding that terrorism will be eliminated “with an iron hand.” The point to be driven home is that the attack on the madrassah was kept as quiet as possible, while the suicide bombing was publicized as a tragedy, and one more reason to maintain the war on terror.

Last year trouble escalated when the Pakistani government laid siege to the Red Mosque and more than 100 people were killed. “Even before his soldiers had overrun the Lal Masjid ... the retaliations began.” Suicide attacks originating from both Afghan Taliban and Pakistani tribal militants targeted military convoys and a police recruiting center. Guerrilla attacks that demonstrated a shocking degree of organization and speed-not to mention strategic cunning revealed that they were orchestrated by none other than al-Qaeda’s number two man, Ayman Al-Zawahiri; a fact confirmed by Pakistani and Taliban officials. One such attack occurred on July 15, 2007, when a suicide bomber killed 24 Pakistani troops and injured some 30 others in the village of Daznaray (20 miles to the north of Miran Shah, in North Waziristan). Musharraf ordered thousands of troops into the region to attempt to restore order. But radical groups swore to retaliate against the government for its siege of the mosque and its cooperation with the United States.

A July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) concludes that “al Qaeda is resurgent in Pakistan- and more centrally organized than it has been at any time since 9/11.” The NIE reports that al-Qaeda now enjoys sanctuary in Bajaur and North Waziristan, from which they operate “a complex command, control, training and recruitment base” with an “intact hierarchy of top leadership and operational lieutenants.”

In September 2006 Musharraf signed a peace deal with Pashtun tribal elders in North Waziristan. The deal gave pro-Taliban militants full control of security in the area. Al Qaeda provides funding, training and ideological inspiration, while Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Tribal leaders supply the manpower. These forces are so strong that last year Musharraf sent well over 100,000 trained Pakistani soldiers against them, but they were not able to prevail against them.

The question remains, what does America do when Pakistan no longer has a Musharraf to bridge the gap? While Musharraf claims that President Bush has assured him of Pakistan’s sovereignty, Senator Obama obviously has no intention of honoring such an assurance. As it is, the Pakistanis do just enough to avoid jeopardizing U.S. support. Musharraf, who is caught between Pakistan’s dependence on American aid and loyalty to the Pakistani people, denies being George Bush’s hand-puppet. Musharraf insists that he is “200 percent certain” that the United States will not unilaterally decide to attack terrorists on Pakistani soil. What happens when we begin to do just that?
commented by Blogger John Maszka, 12:22 PM PDT  
And not the brightest crayon in the box...

Another great entry! Diane
commented by Blogger HAPPY IN NEVADA, 9:06 PM PDT  

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