Monday, March 03, 2008
things not to say about fellow democrats
readers who follow our discussion thru-out blogtopia and yes, we coined that phrase, know that we think sen. clinton would (nominally) make a better president than sen. obama.
but just when we think that her campaign might be right and everybody's picking on her, she goes and does something stupid. case in point, via hoffmania:
addendum: kevin drum not only posits that this is sen. clinton's only shot at the presidency, and he not only thinks matt yglesias is totally off w/his analysis that the clinton campaign wants a crippled obama to lose to mccain so she'll have a shot in 2012, he uses the term "holy cats." you heard it here first.
but just when we think that her campaign might be right and everybody's picking on her, she goes and does something stupid. case in point, via hoffmania:
"now, i think you'll be able to imagine many things senator mccain will be able to say. he's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. i will put forth my lifetime of experience. senator obama will put forth an [anti-war] speech he made in 2002."
-hillary clinton
-hillary clinton
"that's what you say when you want to be john mccain's vice-presidential choice. that's not what you say when you're trying to become the democratic nominee for president."
-rachel maddow just now on msnbc's countdown
we wish sen. clinton had taken the high road during this campaign (well, actually, we wish she had fired mark penn long ago). but we can't believe she would endorse a repubbblican's qualifications over another democrat in this race.-rachel maddow just now on msnbc's countdown
addendum: kevin drum not only posits that this is sen. clinton's only shot at the presidency, and he not only thinks matt yglesias is totally off w/his analysis that the clinton campaign wants a crippled obama to lose to mccain so she'll have a shot in 2012, he uses the term "holy cats." you heard it here first.
Labels: clinton, democrats, hillary, obama, prez campaign
posted by skippy at
6:27 PM |
7 Comments:
commented by
liquiddaddy, 7:11 PM PST
liquiddaddy, 7:11 PM PST
but we can't believe she would endorse a repubbblican's qualifications over another democrat in this race.
I don't see how noting a simple fact (that McCain has a "lifetime" [sic] of experience) is "endorsing" those qualifications. Hitler had a lifetime of experience too. Surely the campaign, whoever McCain's opponent, will be about the nature of that experience.
Will McCain be more successful at using his "experience" (which is more extensive than Clinton's) against Obama than Clinton has been? Hard to say. But he will use it, certainly, which is what Clinton said.
I don't see how noting a simple fact (that McCain has a "lifetime" [sic] of experience) is "endorsing" those qualifications. Hitler had a lifetime of experience too. Surely the campaign, whoever McCain's opponent, will be about the nature of that experience.
Will McCain be more successful at using his "experience" (which is more extensive than Clinton's) against Obama than Clinton has been? Hard to say. But he will use it, certainly, which is what Clinton said.
She's based her campaign on the idea that experience is the overriding concern on the Democratic side, because that's her strongest suit, and I don't blame her for doing it. But she did just basically say that in her view, her experience trumps his judgment, and the reasonable assumption from her words is that so might McCain's. She may have worded it inartfully, but that's what will be taken away from this quote, like it or not.
There was a {Pew? I'm not looking for it) poll recently that noted many voters might switch over to McCain if Hillary is not in the race, basing their decision on a candidate due to their perceived experience. She's hardly endorsing McCain here as she has repeatedly said that the Dems would unite no matter who that candidate ends up being.
Her point is that voters who support her might turn to McCain instead of Obama because He Who Talks on Water has little to offer in that department. And frankly, it's not a fear I don't have myself. Some of Obama's strongest support is among voters who might be bored of this whole process or become busy with a hangover from last night's kegger. It's not like I wasn't a shiftless college student myself and November is a long long way off.
In the immortal words of Daffy the Duck: Shoot me now, shoot me now.
Her point is that voters who support her might turn to McCain instead of Obama because He Who Talks on Water has little to offer in that department. And frankly, it's not a fear I don't have myself. Some of Obama's strongest support is among voters who might be bored of this whole process or become busy with a hangover from last night's kegger. It's not like I wasn't a shiftless college student myself and November is a long long way off.
In the immortal words of Daffy the Duck: Shoot me now, shoot me now.
commented by , 5:56 AM PST
So when Obama praised Ronald Reagan and dissed The Big Dog...you said what again?
Truth hurts. He's made more gold from that hay speech than Rumplestiltskin every could.
For all the accountability he had to answer for that speech in Blue Illinois where it was fashionable to denounce the coming war, you might as well make my wife a candidate based on her first impression of Bush when Gore conceded: "I have a really bad feeling about this - he really scares me."
There, now SHE can run for president, for doing the exact same thing Obama did: Speak her mind from a safe location.
In fact, Obama reminds me of those tiny yip dogs who bark and snarl from the fenceline, but once you walk into their space they run like hell.
For all the accountability he had to answer for that speech in Blue Illinois where it was fashionable to denounce the coming war, you might as well make my wife a candidate based on her first impression of Bush when Gore conceded: "I have a really bad feeling about this - he really scares me."
There, now SHE can run for president, for doing the exact same thing Obama did: Speak her mind from a safe location.
In fact, Obama reminds me of those tiny yip dogs who bark and snarl from the fenceline, but once you walk into their space they run like hell.
interesting idea that if obama does something bad then it's ok if hillary does something equally bad...i thought the dems were above tit for tat and cared about truth and the people of america.
as to what did i say about obama's reagan quote, i didn't have to because george, the old-fashioned patriot, beat me to the punch on my own blog here.
obama turned me off w/that reagan phrase; clinton turned me off by extolling the virtues of mccain's experience over a fellow democrat.
f*ck them both! but if you kids would take the stars out of your eyes for your respective candidate crushes and actually bother to read my blog, you'd know i hold both clinton and obama in equal disdain.
so quichurbelliakin and own up to what your choice actually says.
as to what did i say about obama's reagan quote, i didn't have to because george, the old-fashioned patriot, beat me to the punch on my own blog here.
obama turned me off w/that reagan phrase; clinton turned me off by extolling the virtues of mccain's experience over a fellow democrat.
f*ck them both! but if you kids would take the stars out of your eyes for your respective candidate crushes and actually bother to read my blog, you'd know i hold both clinton and obama in equal disdain.
so quichurbelliakin and own up to what your choice actually says.













Besides, Obama insinuated Clinton had no good ideas in the '90's, "like Ronald Reagan."
I pray the healing begins soon.